tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4381472662149763328.post2957635884406199588..comments2023-10-23T12:09:50.512-04:00Comments on Clergy Confidential: Cremation NationTim Schenckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13913584491460599491noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4381472662149763328.post-29547551985597117612014-05-27T19:26:04.759-04:002014-05-27T19:26:04.759-04:00Actually Tim there is a law,MA or local town I'...Actually Tim there is a law,MA or local town I'm not sure...or so I'm told...that putting ashes directly into the ground is not allowed, have to be in one of the aforementioned biodegradable containers. Why I have no idea...same result, just slowed down a bit. I personally want to be wrapped in a shroud and buried without preservatives into a green burial site...legal in MA, just not sure where one actually exists. Now, for a really sobering experience...ever been to a crematorium with a family to watch the body on the conveyer belt go into the flames? I had to take the rest of the day off....The crying of the family was wrenching.Granthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10345150170501621426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4381472662149763328.post-30890176133394749062014-05-25T16:43:30.772-04:002014-05-25T16:43:30.772-04:00My mother moved to California, where she lived unt...My mother moved to California, where she lived until her death. Since we were living in Virginia, I had her cremated and then shipped back to us for a funeral service and internment in a columbarium. When her ashes arrived, I do not think they were mingled with a casket because they were not 5 -9 pounds. However, the experience of getting her remains in the mail completely undid me. There are just some things for which we are not prepared, no matter no rational we think we are.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13944441729904474810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4381472662149763328.post-83547459130142321802014-05-24T11:48:30.051-04:002014-05-24T11:48:30.051-04:00In the Victorian era people cut off locks of the d...In the Victorian era people cut off locks of the deceased person's hair and put them in mourning rings--I have one from my family, but whose hair it is, I have no idea--so the cremains bracelet is not a new concept. But I find both ghastly and when someone shows me a necklace or whatever and tells me that it contains a piece of Mom, I am at a loss for words. I agree that the dead should rest in piece--one piece, one place.Caroline Malseednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4381472662149763328.post-40062225378940763972014-05-24T09:25:41.966-04:002014-05-24T09:25:41.966-04:00But what a waste of money to have to buy a casket ...But what a waste of money to have to buy a casket just to have it burned. Makes no sense financially, ecologically, or any other way really other than perhaps to have the kindness of the funeral director. It seems to me that can be covered by the clergy if needed...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4381472662149763328.post-64332108472297270692014-05-24T09:08:48.175-04:002014-05-24T09:08:48.175-04:00Oh wow, I feel my own post about this coming on......Oh wow, I feel my own post about this coming on...Meredith Gouldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16260267368064065843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4381472662149763328.post-2548051696683617982014-05-24T08:30:48.717-04:002014-05-24T08:30:48.717-04:00I believe the requirements for having a casket var...I believe the requirements for having a casket vary from state to state, and I cannot believe that is not for financial reasons . . . funeral directors have to eat too, you know!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4381472662149763328.post-33253684001137844502014-05-24T08:12:11.231-04:002014-05-24T08:12:11.231-04:00I agree about the terminology ... plain old "...I agree about the terminology ... plain old "remains" seems fine to me and I use the term "enclosed" for the placement of them, as in, "his remains were enclosed in the columbarium."John Millernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4381472662149763328.post-65594717608086495172014-05-23T23:08:05.262-04:002014-05-23T23:08:05.262-04:00It is not necessary to have a casket. Readers migh...It is not necessary to have a casket. Readers might explore "direct cremation." Though there are many good funeral directors, often they are quite expensive and you do not have to go through one for cremation of a loved one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4381472662149763328.post-54291144911661229442014-05-23T21:27:49.274-04:002014-05-23T21:27:49.274-04:00Good post, Tim! I will not divide ashes. I'v...Good post, Tim! I will not divide ashes. I've been asked to do so and have refused and explained why (basically, I suggest it marks disrespect of the deceased). I may add your thoughts to the rationale, as well. -- And I couldn't agree more about "cremains"! What a stupid word and yet another bit of evidence of our fear and denial of death.Eric Funstonhttp://www.thefunstons.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4381472662149763328.post-9170389479558431992014-05-23T15:24:17.740-04:002014-05-23T15:24:17.740-04:00Our local funeral home provides biodegradable cont...Our local funeral home provides biodegradable containers, which we place into the memorial garden with the remains during the committal. The expectation is that the container will dissolve over the course of a year. I have no objection to placing the remains directly into the ground, but the container is helpful for family. We encourage family to use a cardboard box rather than a casket (unless there is a viewing) for cremation. It is my practice to accompany the casket into the crematory to say the words of committal. Sometimes there is a family member present. Sometimes we place flowers on the box/casket. WE live in a very small town, so this is easier to do than in much larger venues. But even the funeral director finds it comforting to know that this part of the work they do is accompanied by prayer. I share your desire to release the mortal remains - but often that is what my parishioners are doing. With scattered extended families, they are taking a portion of their loved one to another burial place. Or in my case, a portion of my husband's ashes to consign to the deep off of his childhood home in Florida. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01842703134096128850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4381472662149763328.post-46346541384296742252014-05-23T15:13:43.544-04:002014-05-23T15:13:43.544-04:00Since no one believes anything without proof, this...Since no one believes anything without proof, this is from a cremation textbook: "Although cremated remains are commonly called “ashes”, in truth they are comprised of pulverized bone fragments. As was previously mentioned, the cremation process destroys all traces of organic, carbon-based matter and all bodily fluids evaporate and escape through the cremator’s exhaust. Since absolutely no organic material remains after cremation, human ashes do not present any sort of health hazard to the living or the environment. The extreme heat of cremators also means that little to no traces of the cremation casket or container (regardless of the material) will remain to mingle with your loved one’s ashes. There may however be some minor traces of materials that were with the body during cremation such as implants, fillings, coffin fittings, and so on but these will most likely be detected and removed when the ashes are passed through the magnetic field after processing. The only thing remaining of the human body after cremation is part of the skeletal structure and occasionally small amounts of salts and minerals."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4381472662149763328.post-831436255772608422014-05-23T15:11:52.656-04:002014-05-23T15:11:52.656-04:00Not sure where you got the info, but some of it is...Not sure where you got the info, but some of it is slightly off. The temperature that a body and casket/ box are exposed to in the process is so high that no organic matter remains. The only thing left is the material that is skeletal (bones) and any metal. In order to make it a more palatable process those bone fragments are ground in a machine into what is sand. We call them incorrectly ashes, but really they are bone fragments. <br /><br />In think about how the church in ancient days often took relics of famous and saintly Christians to be placed in various holy places and churches. I don't see much difference in a family doing the same. I'd rather see them scatter them than pay horrendous amounts of money to put them in an niche somewhere. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com